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Others said they saw someone believed to have started the fire fleeing the scene, according to Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Jeffrey Papen.

The case is being investigated as an arson after a witness reported seeing someone believed to have started the fire fleeing the scene, Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson Jeffrey Papen said.

He said: “Are you Richard Papen?”

After a moment Julian said courteously, “If you’d like, I’d be happy to take you as a pupil, Mr. Papen.”

Papen said they did meet with Candelaria but said she preferred Wirth answer questions “because I’m not there anymore.”