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Ross also points to a similar scene of transference involving Ellis-Taylor looking directly at us, the viewers, with the love with which she would look at her grandson.

Eli feels a strong connection to Noah, sometimes feeling what he feels, but as a man of science, he frames it as “some extreme case of transference-counter transference.”

The training helps chaplains learn how to serve untethered to their faith so “transference or reactivity doesn’t get in the way of really attending to people’s needs,” Johnson said.

Her research focuses on the microbiomes of Arctic species and how they connect to traditional Greenlandic food culture via the transference of microbial communities—from capelin fish, through seals to humans, for example.

“And I can see this sort of pay-it-forward transference. There’s a lineage there. My gratitude for Poehler enables me in some small way to know how to do the same with Novak.”